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ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 18:19:00 - [1] Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: Kassa Daito Edited by: Kassa Daito on 22/05/2010 17:25:59 Originally by: Stovo kor Tip : Irony is strong here. Pay close attention to what the CCRES guys are saying. They are not blowing hot air. Most of the epic ganks in WH space are perpetrated by them. C6: Tank Needed: We don't get these connections often but some of the easier C6 sites seem comparable to C5. Cept don't really want to bring large signature ships in here. DPS Required to do sites: I reckon 10 ships for efficiency ** You don't need caps for C6. You use caps to make ISK It's great to know we're not losing our reputation out here. Keep up the good work soloing L4s and 5s and farming with caps. We love you all for the epic kills ;) (Not directed at the quoted individual. Just w-space residents in general.) Caps are generally used in C6s to spawn extra BSes for people who only farm their home system's sites/anoms with battleship class ships. We can't feed >200 members in our home system so we don't use that particular tactic. However, we do occasionally use them to farm other corps' capitals. For anyone interested in C6s: If any of you ever want a challenge then go into a magnetar system and run some Unsecured Core Emergence sites. I will warn you: the last two waves are deadly. If you can pull one of those off without losses (we do, although we don't normally take the time to scan them down outside magnetar systems), then you have officially won EVE PVE and if you can pull them off properly. We won't do them with a fleet of less than 15 DPS. apparently mr CCRES doesent know about teh youtubez go there, and watch 4 tengus do c6 plex np's... 15 bs's lmao... Who said 15 bs's? Maybe you can link the 4 tengu's video?
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 19:50:00 - [2] Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: ChaeDoc II Maybe you can link the 4 tengu's video? Linkage seeing is believing, mr CCRES. 2m 30sec to kill a single sleeper BS between them. assuming they're all identically fit the frigates will be an absolute ***** too. doing C6 sleeper bashes in just 4 tengus would not be wise for the simple reason that you're in space for a long, long time and the longer you're so exposed the more likely us or Aharm or one of the other very capable corps out there will land a nice T3 fleet on top of your arses. So yes, evidently it is possible but very stupid to do so.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:16:00 - [3] Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 22/05/2010 19:55:37 Originally by: ChaeDoc II Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: ChaeDoc II Maybe you can link the 4 tengu's video? Linkage seeing is believing, mr CCRES. 2m 30sec to kill a single sleeper BS between them. assuming they're all identically fit the frigates will be an absolute ***** too. doing C6 sleeper bashes in just 4 tengus would not be wise for the simple reason that you're in space for a long, long time and the longer you're so exposed the more likely us or Aharm or one of the other very capable corps out there will land a nice T3 fleet on top of your arses. So yes, evidently it is possible but very stupid to do so. your actually joking i assume... as i'm sure your ego isint large enough to actually think it would be stupid to plex using X setup because you could stumble onto said gang... not sure where this thread is going but my point seems valid, while yours is nonsensical. jeez i mean... waht is your point again? Originally by: Leeme Lone How can you call that fast... dropping them in 10-15secs is fast, as i tried to imply earlier, dropping them as slow as the vid there allows the sleepers to rep each other and you loose effectiveness. we're not debating which setup is more effective, 15 ships i wont argue will shoot sleepers faster than 4 we're debating the minimum requirements to do said plex in said wh, let me remind you Nothing to do with ego, i'm saying that the isk you earn from doing a sleeper and salvaging it (about 500mil/4) in what looks to be taking a long time. 2.5mins x 23 Sleeper battleships, + frigs isn't worth having 4 high value gank targets like that exposed for such a long time. Alot of people think it is worth it, or overestimate their strength and think that they can handle any attempted gank. Their names now adorn our killboards.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:41:00 - [4] Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: ChaeDoc II Their names now adorn our killboards. quiet wh is quiet if theyre fail enough to be allowing you to jump them, then so be it iirc profit between 4 ships are greater than that profit between 15? amirite? 15 ships in a wh, factor of diminishing returns? amirite? tbh i stick with c3 cause theyre fast and easy, i make 1b per day np like running L4 mish. my point was simply that 15 of any ship is overkill to do a c6, and most certainly not the minimum. Infact, no... you're wrong. While for a single sleeper site the isk returned woult be less than the 125mil each tengu would approximately receive, those 15 would be finishing a site in 15 minutes, 20 at the most. Those Tengu's would be there while the 15 man fleet will be finishing their 5th or 6th sleeper site. (1.5 - 2 hours). Then you have to factor into the equation the inevitable loss of those Tengus sooner or later, so i'll allow you to do the math.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.22 20:53:00 - [5] Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: ChaeDoc II Infact, no... you're wrong. boring, and your math now along with your logic is nonsensical i suppose minerals you mine are free too right? lets get back to the point, chap wanted to know how much minimum he would have to run for X wormhole. you said 15 ships, i said 4, clearly i'm right (with proof). back to cave pls. Where have i said "minimum required is 15"? How is my math inaccurate? Or are you just assuming that frigates travelling 1.8km/sec will melt to a Tengu's missiles? lol. Do you have a clue what you're talking about? Play more Wow please.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:52:00 - [6] Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: The Archetect I love when threads go off beat, it's so cheering!! Question: Madamtrader, do you speak Japanese? i speak whatever you want me to mate =0 w/e gets the job done on trolling madamtrader: yeah ok ima nub... bet if you read my posts you get something out of it you didnt have previously, regardless if im nub or not else i guess you know everything already so win for you (or the org who teaches you otherwise) keep on being pro ccres, look forward to more win quality posts / threads with your posts It says alot that we're trying to impart our knowledge on you, after you've requested it of course, and then you follow up with rubbish like this. I suggest you make some kind of effort at growing up. You'll receive no further "help" from me. Continue what you're doing.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 23/05/2010 14:09:35 Interesting thread :P Originally by: Kassa Daito For anyone interested in C6s: If any of you ever want a challenge then go into a magnetar system and run some Unsecured Core Emergence sites. I will warn you: the last two waves are deadly. If you can pull one of those off without losses (we do, although we don't normally take the time to scan them down outside magnetar systems), then you have officially won EVE PVE. We won't do them with a fleet of less than 15 DPS. How does anyone who has lived in wormhole space think magnetars are hard? Sleepers don't do 2x damage in magnetar systems. Also, core emergence is a blast but certainly does not require 15 people. Doable with 3, best efficiency with 4-6. 15 = super overkill. Originally by: Leeme Lone And could you PLEASE stop saying BS and get a clue, they are bad for c6's for said sig radius like stovo kor said, he is completely right, t3 ships are almost built for this and tank much better. Without maths and fancy tricks ill give you one tip.. _dont_ use heavy missiles as they suck at dps, in wh's, at pvp and at lvl 4's heavy missiles are just loose. If you think you need them to handle frigs, get some drone skills. BS aren't really fail. They are higher dps per player than any t3 out there. You need to balance mass concerns and ability to clear frigs/cruisers too, but suggesting BS = bad is a bit silly imo. Why have people doing 650-800 dps when they could do 1100? As for hvy missiles being suck at dps, huh? 784 (709 w/ no implants) dps applied up to 113km is awesome dps for a t3. Blaster proteus looks better on paper, but goes to crap since sleepers don't all sit 5km apart from each other. again, we didnt say 15 ppl is the minimum which it can be done, just the minimum we do it with and that's not because we're too worried about losing anything, it's because we dont go out to do one mag site, we do it only if we have a bunch of other **** to do. if there's only 6 of you abailable then by all means go ahead and do it. but when you get systems with a dozen core citadels/bastions aswell then 15 people certainly isn't overkill.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:43:00 - [8] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 23/05/2010 14:44:14 "As for hvy missiles being suck at dps, huh? 784 (709 w/ no implants) dps applied up to 113km is awesome dps for a t3. Blaster proteus looks better on paper, but goes to crap since sleepers don't all sit 5km apart from each other." When you have a few loki's all webbing, and each proteus has scram and web + prop mod then you'll not find many getting too far away. If you have to travel more than 7 ot 8km for the next BS then the you need to web better. But that'#s for larger fleets, doing many sites. 4 tengu's doing one site is fine but if you're earning more than 60mil/hour then you're lucky. and sleepers do receive a dps bonus in magnetar systems. Maybe not the full bonus but it's a significant enough bonus to require you to be on the ball with the reps. Brillint money earner though, can burn through a core citadel in 12-14 minutes with a 15 dps fleet.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 05:38:00 - [9] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 24/05/2010 05:40:05 Originally by: Jack Miton Edited by: Jack Miton on 24/05/2010 04:55:19 I for one completely endorse people using 4-5 member gangs of tengus and pimped of faction BSs/marauders, as well as capital support, in their WH endeavors. They look very nice on our kill board: http://kb.whdweller.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1524 http://kb.whdweller.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1380 http://kb.whdweller.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=981 Canadians never learn :( http://kb.whdweller.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=198 edit: rogue apostrophy
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 11:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 23/05/2010 14:09:35 How does anyone who has lived in wormhole space think magnetars are hard? Sleepers don't do 2x damage in magnetar systems. My apologies. I must have been having brain farts each time thinking i was being hit harder. WTF do they get some bonuses and not others though? Stupid idea.

ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 11:24:00 - [11] Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: Gen Isis (To clarify the video will be shown only 2 the 3rd party, no way I reveal my main in this discussion :P) this be the ccres alt ^^ he's mad i dissed his corp i think Don't flatter yourself.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:03:00 - [12] Originally by: madamtrader Edited by: madamtrader on 24/05/2010 11:31:26 Originally by: madamtrader this be the ccres alt ^^ he's mad i dissed his corp i think Originally by: Gen (CCRES) Isis confirming CCRES alt, something about a bet sounds good, i choose the 3rd party, and hes already recieved my 1b mail me ingame i give you his info Originally by: ChaeDoc II flap my gums excessively, using alts now since i seem to have made myself look footinmouth again? Mad props for being able to distinguish bbcode from text. You continue to surpass my expectations.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:25:00 - [13] Edited by: ChaeDoc II on 24/05/2010 12:25:18 Originally by: madamtrader Originally by: Qui Shon this person isint ccres i have no friends, not even in a virtual world, so I spend all my time acting like a little child on forums Look at me, i'm so funny. You obviously have no interest in this topic so why the hell are you posting in it? How do you earn your "1 billion isk per day" if all you do is spend it on internet forums?
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:54:00 - [14] Originally by: madamtrader all of this trolling i think is getting boring, i'm sufficiently happy with the point i've made. i'm sure thats also clear to anyone else who stumbles on this thread. no, you dont know everything. if you are mad / sad / angry that i make 1b per day and you do not, i'm happy to teach. step 1: use smaller gangs. i plex solo. ... I look forward to finding your main in a plex one day.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:11:00 - [15] Originally by: madamtrader and you'll do what, scan me down in it? or are you not aware probes show on directional? only goof's get ganked in wh, everybody knows that chestbeat elsewhere and only goof probers allow his probes to show up for more than 10-15 seconds on a target's directional scanner.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:24:00 - [16] So, madamtrader. Question for you. You've claimed many time in this thread that others are using more than one alt on this topic so i asked myself "why would you think that?". So i spent 60 seconds of my day on google and found something interesting... You are on Chribba's scammers 'blacklist" Blacklist You have atleast one alt (also on blacklist) Alt Proof And here you are, using both characters to give possitive feedback to someone who is... wait for it... also on the blacklist. Lulz Proof That question i promised... do you just assume that everyone does whatever you do?
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.25 18:48:00 - [17] Tidanis recruited me. Just negated anything good you had to say there Tidanis, with just 3 words.
ChaeDoc II Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 13:40:00 - [18] Originally by: freshspree this

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